Monday 9 December 2019

brake mods on the Mercane (or Don Quixote does brakes)

upfront

Myself I'm not interested in this mod, I'm more the Sancho Panza and fundamentally the brakes on the Mercane are quite sufficient, have good lever feel and operate nicely (if you spend a little time tuning them). If you think they don't for then this most likely means either:

  • you have a faulty caliper (so just replace it) or 
  • it needs adjustment (and I've got descriptions of that here). 

Now pardon me being blunt, but if you are of such meagre mechanical aptitude (and unwilling to learn) then I think you should know right now that you won't be able to fit the (somehow) popular X TECH caliper ... because really that's going to require far far more work than just spending a bit of time unbolting the existing caliper, exploring it (and seeing how it works) then adjusting it.

Lastly there is a lot of misconception by people who just don't seem to have the faintest clue about how brakes work. The standard Mercane brake has two pads one on each side of the caliper but only one piston which pushes in. It relies on the flexing of the (its only 2mm for gods sake) disc to operate and push against the inside pad. So adjustment requires that inside pad to be kept in close (almost touching) to the disc; because it doesn't move.

Now naturally there are those who just like to mod for the challenge ... I used to do that, and for those folks, this is here.

The nuts and bolts

This is the XTECH beside the existing caliper ...



its should be immediately apparent that its bigger (and not clear here, but will be soon) its a lot fatter too. Now, if you're still enthusiastic you'll notice that there are two variants, a Front and a Back, they are different only in the supplied bracket (I bought the front)...


because it looked lower to the mounts and that looked like what I'd need. Take a moment to compare the center of the pistion and its relationship to the mounts with the center of the OEM part and its mounts ... the black one is too high and back ... but that's not where the problems end.

Next lets have a look at a quick video (sorry is vertical, but its easier to compare them one above the other like this).

So assuming you watched that, what it results in is that the extra bulk comes VERY close to the rim


less than millimeters in fact...



and as you can see also, I still don't have it in a place on the mounts.


Which sort of mirrors the configurations of the posts on Reddit where people have tried to mount this caliper ... always with odd angles and very small clearances (meaning rim or caliper damage is likely).

Now part of the problem is also that the mounting bracket will need to be shaved a few millimeters to allow that caliper to move further to the outside, which may allow it to clear the rim, but that's going to mean the disc will need to move out too (as here its actually seated on the disc).

Here I've bolted the caliper bracket onto the swingarm mount points and you can see how little clearance there is between this and the disc...


So not enough to move that caliper out without shaving that bracket. There is room to shave 2 or so mm off the outside of the bracket without compromising strength though if you're keen (and reports mentioned below suggest other users needed to do that too).

Of course to move that out, you'd also have to move out the disc, which would mean packing that out with (say) some 2mm washers. To be able to do that you may find its easier to take the wheel off ... but I think it can be done without removal.

Lastly you may have noticed that the bracket is not "even" or regular in shape:


with one side being higher than the other ... which means you can have some room for altering which tilt works best for the caliper by mounting it one way:



or the other



So if after this you've seen enough to energize yourself into getting one, please leave a comment on how you got it mounted and (better yet) what your long term finding of it was in terms of:

  • pad life
  • going spongey (can't be bled as its sealed)
  • adjustment as the pads wear (should just be take up on the threaded adjuster)
I am in no rush to do mine, but as I have also bought some spare discs may make a project to add front brakes (which I'm also in no rush to do because I don't think front brakes will be a "good idea" on the scooter.

Lastly some reddit posts:

Bottom line:
ultimately I could get this going if I was so inclined ... but for what? My brakes work fine with less time spent than modifying the brackets and I have not had to weaken anything or add more bolts into the mix.

A final point as yet un-mentioned is how much much heavier these calipers are ... compared to either the standard Mercane or the hydraulic ones on my MTB


because there has to be both master and slave cylinder built into one (just for starters).

HTH

4 comments:

Ali Dalkus said...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/SYKdtbbdUT7paX6j8
I have a problem with from brakes. As you can see in the pictures and videos the rotation is not perfect, disc is touching to one of the brake pads making a little noise/reducing the rotation due to the friction(Widewheel Pro, less than a month I bought it). You can see that on the disc and also the whole wheel somehow rotating not straight. I tried to do adjustment few times and either I had to make it loose to not cause friction(in this case brake doesn't function well) or in other position on one side it cause friction and noise but brake works better. On my first week it was working perfectly. I don't know what really happened, if the rotation was already like that since I got it or it happened later. After watching your latest video on adjusting brakes I tried one more time. Hope this time the result will be good. I didn't have chance to try it since the weather wasn't good today. Will see tomorrow how is the result

obakesan said...

Hi Ali

ok, well thanks for the video but its pretty hard (I won't say impossible, but pretty hard) to judge anything about the discs with all the camera movement, the camera angles, the changing camera angles and the speeds of rotation. The wheel roating slowly helps a lot more than doing full speeed (which is just the blur you'd expect).

However I do see some eccentricity in the other side (from the brake disc) in the wheel. This could be either or both of: casting imperfection, bearing not seated properly. I'd go with casting imperfection. The disc seems to be rotating true, but its like I said. Some support of the camera (even with bluetac onto a small box, its a phone right?) would help. As would putting it just off front to see easily any left right alternation.

The brakes can NOT be adjusted correctly to counter for that EXCEPT in making the clearance a little bit more than "minimal" both back and front. Just make sure the pads are aligned to be parallel to the disc which is a simple matter of undoing the two bolts (front and back) that I mention to only use as initial alignment (note, alignment is not adjustment) in this video https://youtu.be/vZ8sAArrho8 ... loosen them, squeeze and hold the brake lever, tighten them, release the brake. The caliper is now aligned.

Making the adjustment looser is exactly what is needed to cope with this sort of thing, make sure the back pad just clears, then adjust the front.

so:
1) make totally sure of the alignment
2) adjust the back pad to just have clearance, a piece of paper may help, you will need to iteratively mount , check, unmount and adjust the caliper from in behind (using the bottom bolts) and rotate the wheel to inspect carefully exactly how much runout we're seeing
3) adjust the front caliper with the allen key.

It could be that the usage just beds it in. I'd mention this to the supplier and see how it goes in a few weeks of use. But please, do them a more clear video than you've supplied here because they'll be even less sharp eyed than me because they're resellers and business people not engineers..

obakesan said...

Ali
happy to help (comment witheld but appreciated). I wait for round 2

Best Wishes

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