Friday, 13 March 2020

Mercane MX60 my settings

The MX60 has a bunch of (in my view pretty  obscure) but important P Settings which really do need to be customised to:

  • get it out of pussy mode
  • make the speedo even faintly accurate
  • enable cruise control (up to you)
  • remove kick 2 go (which I fully understand why its needed for dickheads)
This post is by no means a comprehensive look at the settings (and I've uncovered a few things I just plain don't understand). So the control input looks like this:



To get into the user P settings you first press long the power button (e) to turn it on, then press power and mode together until ---- shows on the display. You then need to enter the code (tedious) of 6666 and then long press (e) and you'll see it showing P01 ... so you're in. This is the default codes:


I've put red around the ones I changed (shown is defaults), and below is a list of my changes

P01  =  2
P05  =  001
P06  =  10.6 - this will effect the speedo
P08  =  090  -  changing this made the difference (I don't understand 090)
P09  =  000  -  I don't want kick to go, so its off
P16  =  41km -  I didn't change this but it is the odo reading
P17  =  001  - because I want it on
P18  =  100  - simply a multiplier of P06


So after these changes my speedo reports the same speed as my GPS and my GPS tracking log shows speeds like this:


After the brief run at 47 I decided to select a lower "gear" and see what it would "cruise on"


  1. is basically nanny speed, or suitable for a pensioner with a seat using it in the supermarket
  2. nicely complies with Australian regulations and sits comfortably on 25kmh, which is nice when cruising and you want to just sight see and have a relaxed ride with the cruise control active
  3. gets up to mid 30's
  4. gets to 48kmh
  5. I can't see a difference so this "zone" must work if I was to raise the speed more (which doesn't interest me)
So there it is ... those settings worked for me, I'll be interested to hear from others if they do or don't

Lastly I found the following document about the controller.

Thursday, 12 March 2020

First day with the Mercane MX60

So I got my MX 60 back home last night and charged it over night.Considering that I deliberated over this for some time and I put a little over AU$3000 down (got the carry rack) I really want the MX60 to come out on top.

But I'm a data and experience driven guy ... not a pictures on advertisers websites guy.


To photograph it I had to stand back further than I normally do, so its actually much bigger than it looks. Indeed looking at my wall there you can get a feel for that.


so my dual is leaving an amount of room on the mat, while the MX60 takes it up entirely.

The weights will also tell you that story too, as indeed will the price. Initially in australia it was nearly $4000 for the MX60 at a local dealer and now that its down to just under $3000 I thought I'd give it a go. Why not right?

The Adventure

What follows are  my initial thoughts and explorations of this in the first day of ownership. So first things first lets look at the video I made as I first turned it on after charging. I'd pre-read the manual but it took a few goes to get it where I wanted it ... and even then its not.



Here are some thoughts I had on it which I also put on reddit earlier today

Well out of the box it performed like a pussy, even in higher "Gears".

Its pretty much exactly what I thought it would be (but less in a few ways) but interestingly things I observed turned out to be worse in practice.

The Good



  • build quality, very classy. Battery box, handle bars, solid stem all of it, first rate.
  • All screws were tight and appeared to be thread locked
  • suspension soaks up road abberations and its like a hover craft, so very suited to longer commutes over scruffy and irregular surfaces because the pneumatic tyres absorb small things (like pebbles and cracks) so you barely notice them
  • the good suspension and tubeless tyres mean you'll need to be a maniac to get a pinch flat
  • steering is stable and yet the scoot is flickable
  • steering stem is very rigid feeling
  • it does not feel heavy on the road and under power


The not so Good


  • feels gutless out of the crate, digging through the menus I was able to tweak some settings:
  1. P09: "Kick and go" was set to 0 (disabling it) 
  2. P17: Curise mode was set to 1 (thank god) enabling it 
  3. P18: speed setting (default = 100) was set to 150 (its max I found)


  • deck width is better suited to a statue who stands feet together and pulls and pushes on the bar for their support. This is not my style (nor good style IMO). Accordingly (as I expected, perhaps more than I expected) this influenced stablity if you were not standing "on axis" between the wheels.
  • steering stem comes back at a steep angle (probably good for helping dopes not crowd the stem) so when you lean into the power you've got it right in the solar plexus ... not my bag
  • speedo is drastically out (GPS=23kmh while speedo shows 36), probably the P06 setting would allow me to dial that in, but its set for 11.3 and that's correct, but there must be some sort of mismatch. Like I said, I could dial it in but its going back so there's no point. If you own one then check P06 setting and dial it in based on your phone because this will make your ODO look like its done more distance and perhaps reduce your sale price 
  • folding the steering stem is tedious but that's only a minor downer for me because I normally store it under the house "unfolded". It makes the stem feel very sturdy
  • even though the power is higher, the larger diameter of the wheels essentially gears this scoot up, meaning it has less hit off the mark than the Widewheel does, so it feels less "nippy"
  • yet despite this I can't get more speed out of it ... 
  • the lack of a comfortable rear foot rest for "power take offs" at the back and the back tilt of the bars makes "agressive" riding harder


So for double the money of the Widewheel 1000W my personal call is "its not my bag baby"

However for others who have different needs maybe its ideal. I reckon that if you put the seat option on it and the carry rack (which I bought but haven't mounted yet) it would be a great pensioner scooter.

NOTE:

I have discovered (thanks MisteryWarrior) that by setting my P08 value to an obscure high  number I'm able to get speeds like this:



I just did some speed testing in my area, up to (and slightly past) my mates place. The GPS (and the Widewheel has no speedo anyway) tells the story of both:

the data below is now obsolete but I will leave it here for reference. Please consult this post for how I got it out of pussy mode and into a usable mode. Further look at this post of better operation.



The Widewheel




The MX60


So the Widewheel has:

  1. higher max recorded speed
  2. higher average speed
  3. higher average speed moving
meaning if it was a race it would beat the MX60


Lets do a quick look at a couple of the details on that when I zoom in on the data in the app:



I've got to keep it for the weekend, I'll see if it grows on me. But I'm not holding my breath right now as its already feeling like this thing is more aimed at this sort of rider than me.


and honestly it probably suits a pensioner pretty well ... I mean the first 3 "gear" modes sure would, with 1 being "shopping mall"

Saturday, 29 February 2020

tweaking up your charger

Warning:

Firstly I don't recommend this to anyone who is not comfortable with electrical work and who has no history of electrical work.

So with that out of the way its pretty common that the chargers supplied with our scooters are not really "dialed in" to voltage (you're shocked I'm sure that a charger that you can buy on eBay for $20 wasn't bench adjusted) ... sure someone does some "gross adjustment" but not really careful dialing in (and don't start asking about the accuracy of the 240V supply to your house).

Why?

well as it happens batteries need a particular Voltage to charge, which must be a bit more than the voltage you want them to charge to. It doesn't need to be by much but it does need to be more. Further a reality of electronics is that everything (no matter what) takes some voltage out of the circuit, so even if the charger is supplying 54.4V the BMS will inevitably take a little nibble out, as will all the wires. So its best to tweak the supply to be a little bit over the level of the BMS.

Below is a picture of my charger now charging (in the final phase) my 500W mercane which has ridden just a few Km after its last charge (which I noticed wasn't getting up as far as I'd like it to have gotten) on the "other charger" which I keep at work. I've tweaked all my chargers here.


You can see that while the light has gone green indicating (to those who think they are in the know) that charging is complete, the charger is still supplying a small current (for the saturation of cells to 4.2V)  which still (because of the voltage) amounts to 7.1W or the equivalent of a modern efficient bulb. All in all the battery has had pushed in about 40Wh, which is pretty consistent with the small running around I did before putting it on charge now.

What did I do

Basically I just carefully opened the charger (mine has screws under the bottom rubber feet) and then identified the "trim pot" and with it plugged in and live adjusted that up to where I wanted it. See this Video



This basically went very well and I was then able to see good charging voltages and indeed show the difference between what the handlebar volt meter shows and the voltage at the entry to the BMS (using my inline meter)


Job Done

Hope that is helpful to someone.

Saturday, 22 February 2020

Mercane single motor 8.8Ah battery range test

This post is a follow on from my repair post here. Well, looking at all this I'd say that my scoot has passed its battery test. and is pretty much "up to spec" despite nearly a year of use and some problems with the BMS and construction.

Introduction

To test the battery in the scoot I took it on this course:


So while I didn't tackle any significant hills (read mountains) I did indeed do some long uphill slogs. Here's the GPS data



When I got it home it was pulling Volts down to 44.2 or so on the milder hills, but still pulling better than it ever did on hills, and note how steady the speed was almost to the end.

Analysis

The interesting thing was the recharge: It took 271Wh to recharge (using my 150A meter to count that), and as the battery is rated at 422Wh this means I've used up about 60% of the battery total rated capacity. Now as anyone who knows much about batteries would know, getting that last part of the energy may be hard to get to and even predictable about how far you can go, perhaps even may damage the cells if getting to it (if you don't have a good BMS). Here is why: the discharge curve.


Looking at this test discharge of Volts vs Ah working out the area under the curve (using a near approximation and I've chosen to be a bit conservative) gives me 7.11Wh per cell. So with 13S4P that gives me 13 x 4 x 7.11 = 369.72Wh of actual usable Watts. Note how quickly that last bit of voltage at 3.4V per cell just dies off.

So while my cells are 2200mAh the difference will be small (if indeed it is any different and not just "rebadged").

For all intents and purposes I'm willing to call the 271Wh I put into it (on recharge) to mean that my ride took out 271Wh Effectively 75% depth of discharge. Given also that rapid fall off at the end that last unit may be quite unpredictable (and depend on hills), its best to not be relying on that being available. Meaning I won't get much more out of it than that (as you can see how the voltage plummets towards "out of juice" and I'm walking levels.

So a real world range of 20km "flat stick" on cruise control is reasonable. The less you do stops and starts of course the better because re-establishing speed will suck more energy than just maintaining it.

Thoughts

Knowing this curve you can more accurately use your Volt meter to understand how voltage (while riding) reflects your actual remaining range. For instance, when you see certain voltages under load (you'll note that flat road cruising voltage is different to that going up a hill, because of the load). To get the chart below I used the 2A discharge measurements of the Parkside battery (because I expect its pretty close to what I've got having observed my own discharge and the battery markings) and simply altered the scale on the Volts axis by multiplying cell voltages x 13 (because I have a 13S4P pack)


So seeing anything dropping down to 45V while under load means you're getting close to the end. If you're seeing 48V you've still got at least half your power left.

Next interesting thing is that if one considers that I needed (to supply to the scooter) 271Wh to travel about 19km that works out to about 1.4kWh/100km which (as mentioned previously in the article about my dual motor variant) is stunningly good efficiency and no electric car gets anything like this. Supporting my view that for short distance frequent trips a scooter is far more the efficient transport solution for cities.


It remains to be seen if I need to give this pack any more attention, but hopefully this shows how resilient they are and how easily rebuildable they are.

For how this started please refer to this post here